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Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:33 am
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Call me a sick fuck if you like, but I have a question.
I've seen postings at (the seemingly no-longer-available) barebacksex.com website ostensibly by neg "bug chasers" looking to bottom for poz tops so they can sero-convert. I have no way of knowing whether this is real, but I suspect it is. (There was even a link to a website specifically for this.) And despite the gravity of the likely outcome (no pun intended), my dick still gets hard thinking about watching such a scene.
Could this ever be a scenario for a TIM video? Or would it pose too many legal difficulties? There certainly are other aspects of male sexuality TIM could not legally document - underage sex, for example - so it wouldn't surprise me if this also was out of bounds. |
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Wed Feb 22, 2006 10:05 pm
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While I do agree that this would be a hot fantasy, I don't think TIM should set up a movie around this.
I think it would set-up a bigger controversy than they have ever faced, and could lead to criminal charges against the company and the actors.
I have enjoyed stories of bug chasing and forced pozzing, but don't think that a movie would be a good idea. I know that for myself, it would not appeal as much as a gangbang/cumdump scene. I just let the fact that I do not know the status of any of the actors, lead me where i want it to.
BTW, if you ever want to trade bug chasing stories, let me know. |
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Sat Jul 29, 2006 5:03 am
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Location: norcal bay area
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| i guess guys need to make these (hotter than fuck) vids among themselves for their own private collection (as is generally what happens for other "illegal" horny flicks). if there were only more willing poz guys to help make em common and easy to setup a good rough gangrape :-0 I'm def hard as hell for it though |
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Mon Aug 07, 2006 8:18 am
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Joined: 05 Aug 2006
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Location: Boston, Massachusetts
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Want to see a conversion take place, just go to a conversion party. They're held in most major cities and it's HOT! It's how I converted, it was a choice that I wanted . |
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Sun Aug 13, 2006 9:28 pm
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Location: New York City
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Hey, Kinky -
Any information you care to share about your own experience? Where/when? How many guys? Only cum, or blood, too? Any recommended resources, or websites for conversion parties?
Inquiring sick fuck minds want to know... |
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Mon Aug 14, 2006 7:02 am
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Location: Boston, Massachusetts
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Hello NYCPissBear~
...love Piss too!... getting back to your question... I met a guy on Manhunt. As we began to get to know eachother and the "Are you +/- question" was asked, he started to talk about his conversion parties. I told him that I was so "fucking hot" over the idea, he invited me to be his next "guest" at his next party.
The party was at a motel at (Boston) Logan Airport, two years ago. He told me that he rounded up 10 to 12 POZ Men and boys, but some brought buddies so, 16 in all were there. Now I'm a real pig and anything goes with me... so my buddy , the day prior had talked with me and started giving me options for the best ways of conversion.
I chose the "cut, bleed and bred" option. It's the best way of the dirty seed to meet with the blood system and convert. The party was held the following night... my buddy and I showed up 90 minutes earlier then the others, so that I could clean out and most importantly he could attach a vac pump to my hole and for my rose bud to be extracted from my hole. It's a deeper cut to assure conversion.
The Men and boys started to appear after my buddy called each to let them know what room we were in...(the airport is a ten minute ride from downtown Boston)...once the vac pump was removed he took a scaple and made three deep cuts... and bled me for a few minutes.
Once the blood appeared it was as if each Man was a shark, circling it's prey.True conveters always love to know that the chaser is serious and some love to give the gift without telling the chaser. This case all parties knew that I was a chaser and they were more then willing to help me along.
After 4.5 hours of being fucked, I had 21 charged loads inside of me... and I greatly appreciate the efforts of all that were there. Most chasers become gifters after conversion... I still chose to be a chaser to get charged up again.
Thanks for asking NYCPissBear... WOOF! |
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Mon Aug 14, 2006 7:46 am
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I have a theory about the process that men take from having only safe sex (as it is imbedded in any gay man's brain) to barebacking and I freely admit that somewhere along the way - guys who become true barebackers fantasize about conversion and conversion parties etc.
I've also talked with some of my buddies who bareback and are now HIV+ about really just how little they knew about what it was like to sero-convert.
So - couple of questions about your conversion story up above...
Did the conversion take effect?
Did you go through the poz fever where you were so sick for 3 days that you couldn't get out of bed?
If yes, Tell us about how it is for you now that you have to go see your doctor every 3 months for bloodwork?
Are you on a regimen of HIV meds?
What's your monthly co-payment (that is if you have insurance)?
When you first starting taking the meds - if you did - did you have side effects? Sustiva and those crazy vivid dreams? Or how bout being nausea? Perhaps you had a period of time where you had so much diarrhea that you had to actually stop having sex because you would crap over any dick that went into your hole? The initial meds that I went on affected my respiratory system and I had trouble breathing for a couple of weeks. Did you experience anything like that?
How many times have you contracted syphyllis or gonorrhea? Hepatitis? Herpes?
Have you been tested for HPV? Have you had surgery to remove warts from your ass or dick?
If yes, Do you now have an annual pap smear to make sure the HPV doesn't change to anal cancer?
How bout staph infections or ringworm?
Don't get me wrong, I am a 100% barebacker, I don't use rubbers and I haven't in about 5 years and I think I made the right decision for me.
However, let's not glorify the conversion process without also talking about the consequences... |
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Mon Aug 14, 2006 8:31 am
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Hello Johney Apple~
The conversion party did in fact convert me. I didn't have the 3 day sickness but learned of it through testing. I not just positive, but indeed have full blown AIDS. I see my Doctor every three months and have regular testing, including pap smears, (which we should all go and have)... I am at this time not on any meds, but expect to given some upon my next visit as I have discussed with my Doctor during my last visit...
I knew what I was going to be getting into if I did convert and if I had to do it all over again, I would.
Be well. |
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Mon Aug 14, 2006 8:50 am
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Joined: 29 Jan 2006
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Location: New York City
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KinkyBBSlut, Johnny Apple & All -
As the one who initiated this thread, I want to thank you both, and TIM, whose forum permitted the thread to continue, for presenting both sides so well. I recognize myself in both of these posters, and when Johnny Apple mentions his theory about barebackers, and the spectrum of fantasy that accompanies their transition to bareback sex, I especially recognize myself.
One of the hottest things about TIM videos is the enthusiasm and abandon with which the men fuck - the "I don't care" mentality that we all, in rebellion (and rebellion is a lot of our psychological makeup, I think), wish were the norm rather than the exception. The ultimate act of rebellion, in this context, is sero-conversion. So when I asked about it, I was demonstrating Johnny Apple's theory.
I remain sero-negative, and a lot of cognitive dissonance accompanies me every time I bareback. It certainly won't be any less after Johnny Apple's posting, but it is important that we all recognize the steps along the path we are fantasizing about.
Thanks again. |
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Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:02 am
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You guys are very cool. Thanks for taking my post in the spirit in which it was written. There is a conversion site forum board which I used to go to alot (I lost the link since) and always used to get a hard on when I would read the posts
OK back to lurking... |
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Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:19 am
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Thank-you NYCPissBear & Johnny, indeed T.I.M. is great in so many ways, but it serves our community with this open forum.  |
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:41 pm
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| I think this is a great idea and would pull the curtain back on something many guys think about and want, even if they can't admit it. I'm a hardcore bb bottom, but used to be a total safety boy. There is definitely a continuum of risk guys go through with barebacking, and taking poz cum is defintiely on the list of things we think about, and deep down, crave, for the ultimate connection it risks you having. I'd love to see this played out on screen and think it would do a good service to show it for guys to see and learn from, and to make it more acceptable, just like all the TIM videos have done for barebacking in general. You can't fight nature, or you can for only so long. |
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Thu Mar 01, 2007 5:06 pm
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A few questions...
Did you tell your health insurance company that you intentionally contracted a chronic disease, and are going to pay for the added health costs out of pocket?
Second,
Why do you fetishize disease? And why HIV/AIDS? Why not other STD’s or other chronic diseases like gonorrhea, syphilis, chlamydia, hepatitis A/B/C, crabs or even cancer, heart disease, diabetes, scabies, ringworm, and other parasitic infections?
I know many many HIV+ guys and they bareback cuz they feel what’s the point of condoms if they both have HIV. But they don’t want to spread HIV to others or sexualize it. |
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Fri Mar 02, 2007 3:01 am
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gngbngbottom:
Before I write anything more, I want to say that I totally respect the concerns you expressed in your post. But I have a few thoughts of my own, which you might consider...
With regards to the burden to health insurance companies of HIV/AIDS:
Have you ever knowingly driven an automobile over the posted speed limit? If so, then you not only have broken the law, you have also exposed yourself and innocent others to a dangerous high risk caused by your reckless driving behavior. Auto accident injuries resulting from reckless driving costs health insurance companies billions of dollars each year. And yet, nearly all of us think nothing of intentionally breaking the law like this, and none of us offer to pay the resulting health insurance costs, should an unfortunate accident occur.
With regards to fetishizing HIV/AIDS. the human mind is capable of fetishizing most anything. There are gay men who purchase replica Nazi SS uniforms and enthusiastically have sex with other men who are similarly dressed. There are actually companies who produce these replica uniforms to satisfy the demand for this fetish. Now, given that HIV/AIDS can be contracted by un-inhibited and unprotected sex, it's not such a stretch to see how some gay men can fetishize HIV/AIDS. Who is in a position to judge which sexual fetishes are wrong and right?
There is a population of NEG guys who actively seek to seroconvert, so that they, too, can have bareback sex with other POZ guys and not fear spreading the virus. It's their choice. It seems to me that attaining the virus in a controlled setting, as takes place in a conversion, is a safer way to do so, rather than randomly hopping around from bed to bed, in a attempt to have raw sex with as many men as possible, in the hopes of seroconverting, while risking spreading the disease to innocents, in the process.
By the way, if you've ever been to a group sex party and you've sucked a bunch of cocks, and rimmed a bunch of asses, then you've done much to spread STD's, yourself. |
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Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:24 am
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Well... you didn't answer my question.
First: you talked about the dangers of driving and speeding. Your analogy is not the same as a conversion party because you are not getting into the car to drive it in a brick wall or a group of school children. If it became known that you intentionally hit the wall or the school children, you would be held for a psychiatric evaluation. Because you were trying to harm yourself or others.
So lets take this on another spin...
Smoking: I do feel that people who smoke are well aware of the potential damage smoking can do to ones health and should pay more for their insurance. However, I have yet to meet anyone who smokes that is doing it just so they can get cancer. Most people I know do it for the taste, it relaxes them, or even oral fixation, not disease. They even have porn now of guys smoking and having sex or masturbating.
Next you said “There is a population of NEG guys who actively seek to seroconvert, so that they, too, can have bareback sex with other POZ guys and not fear spreading the virus.” . What? The purpose of the party IS to spread the disease. So this reason is backwards. You can still go off and have wild uninhibited sex with many people and not think about getting any disease. Right now you can go and participate in the HIV/AIDS vaccine trials, and still do your best to keep healthy without changing your sexual behavior.
Now on to the Nazi uniform...
I know what a fetish is and have many myself . You can get into this fetish without it being a detriment to your health or others. I heard of a story years ago that a sadistic master in New York City had a Nazi uniform and a Hasidic Jew contacted him to work him over. The man even cut the Jewish mans hair and shoved it in his mouth during the session. And yes, I would love to talk to this Jewish man to ask him why he wanted this.
So that still has my original question unanswered.....
Why do you fetishize disease? And why HIV/AIDS? Why not other STD’s or other chronic diseases like gonorrhea, syphilis, chlamydia, hepatitis A/B/C, crabs or even cancer, heart disease, diabetes, scabies, ringworm, and other parasitic infections?
We are all aware of language around this... Bug chasers, POZ cum, charged loads, and conversion parties. Why don't we have other people fetishizing other diseases? Some can be spread in the same manner as HIV/AIDS.
And last...
When I go to sex parties, my goal is not to spread any kind of STD, but to get as many guys off as possible, but a conversion party is, and the tone of the posts on this thread gave the indication that spreading HIV/AIDS is a turn on... All I am asking is why? |
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Mon Mar 05, 2007 1:37 pm
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| definitely knowing a neg guys is going to get gangbanged to be converted on film would be a definitve turn off for me. I am sur e this happens in reality...but... |
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Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:09 pm
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Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:32 pm
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He said a turn OFF - not a turn on.
You seem to have a one track mind there gngbngbottom.
The bottom line - which I think other guys tried to say above is:
no one can say WHY a fetish turns them on and why a fetish turns them off.
I like chocolate ice cream but don't care for vanilla.
Why ask why? That's just the way it is. |
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Tue May 01, 2007 3:37 pm
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gngbngbottom, you ask why it is a turn on to think about pozzing up a (supposedly) negative guy or watching a (supposedly) neg guy get pozzed. I can't speak for why that is a turn-on for others, but I can say why I find it hot.
As an HIV+ man, I am well aware that many men are so freaked out by my HIV status that they won't even consider having sex with me...even if we use a condom...and that always makes me feel profoundly undesirable. I may know in my head that the other guy's decision has nothing to do with his level of attraction to me or his feelings for me as a person. And I may totally respect and understand his decision to do everything in his power to avoid getting HIV which is, absolutely, a terrible disease for most people who contract it. But when I'm rejected because of my HIV status the overwhelming emotional experience is a feeling of being undesirable.
On the other hand, when I meet a guy who doesn't mind having sex with me, an HIV positive guy, that is a real turn-on. Now, consider a scenario in which a guy who says he's negative actually wants my poz load and that becomes a situation in which I feel profoundly desirable. I may know in my head that his decision has little to do with his level of physical attraction for me or his feelings for me as a person. But the fact that he wants my poz load makes me feel desirable. And it's a turn on when you feel desirable. Even if the situation is, by most people's standards, sick and twisted. |
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Wed May 02, 2007 3:03 pm
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Peter!
Thank you so much for your honest response to my question! As a person with many fetishes myself, what gets me hot may not be the same reason someone else with the same fetish would find hot. I know some guys have this fetish and I am sure not every finds it hot for the same reason. Thank you for sharing your perspective. |
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